
Rules
Part of Bullion Spot Pricing: LBMA Auction Times and Price Layers
Bullion pricing problems: stale spot feeds, hidden fees and misleading discounts
Bullion pricing problems, from stale spot feeds to hidden fees and misleading discounts, and the comparison basis that exposes each one before you pay.
What to take away
- Record the provider, timestamp, stated delay, metal and unit behind every price you compare.
- Fix the product, quantity, payment method and destination before you read any total.
- Ask what "below market" means, and which market and which product it covers.
- Request the buyback bid and every deduction that applies to your item, in writing.
A stale feed beside a live ask
The reference freezes while the dealer keeps repricing the product. The premium shown on the page is then arithmetic on a dead number, and it looks better or worse than the real one.
Stale feed vs live ask
Reference feed
- Timestamp
- frozen
- Price
- dead number
- Premium
- arithmetic on stale
- Action
- save timestamp
- Check
- refresh together
Dealer quote
- Timestamp
- current
- Price
- repriced
- Premium
- real premium
- Action
- save timestamp
- Check
- calculate independently
If the two clocks disagree by more than the feed's stated delay, the premium is unknown.
Futures are not spot
Futures and spot differ by delivery time, financing and location. The CFTC's explanation of the economic purpose of futures markets describes standardized contract terms: size, delivery months, delivery locations, and acceptable grades, with different grades deliverable at fixed premiums or discounts. Delivery exists so the futures price converges with the cash price.
A retail coin quote is neither contract. It is also not the cash price the exchange converges toward. Name the instrument and the delivery basis before you compare anything.
The tier you are not buying
A page advertises the 500-unit premium while the cart holds one coin. The headline number belongs to a quantity you did not order.
Record the tier that applies to your actual quantity, then compute delivered cost at that tier. The gap between the advertised tier and yours is often wider than the spread between two dealers.
Payment method changes the price late
A card fee appears after you enter details, or the wire discount quietly disappears. Select the payment method first, then read the final authorization total. A card surcharge on bullion orders is typically 2% to 4% of the total, and many dealers waive it for a wire or a check.
If the total moves for a reason nobody will explain, abandon the order.
Free shipping with paid insurance
Handling, insurance and signature charges surface as separate lines. Add every unavoidable charge. A marketing label does not change cash leaving your account.
The crossed-out price
That comparison price may never have applied to this product, quantity or payment method. The FTC's guide to advertising and marketing basics states that ad claims should be truthful, non-deceptive and evidence-based. It does not settle an individual bullion dispute, but it supports asking a dealer for the real basis of a savings claim.
Ignore the crossed-out figure. Compare current delivered asks against current net bids.
"At spot" and the product behind it
The item may be random brand, damaged packaging, mixed year, or a larger unit than you pictured. Identify the exact deliverable and its condition. A low price is not a bargain if the exit is worse than the entry.
The buyback formula with deductions
The seller quotes spot, then subtracts assay, shipping or handling at settlement. Ask for a worked net example before you buy, and price the same metal with an independent buyer.
A typical dealer bid on a one ounce gold coin sits about 1% to 5% under spot. The retail premium on the way in is often 3% to 8% over spot, so a round trip can cost roughly 4% to 13% before shipping.
Worked example: one ounce, two dealers
Substitute your own figures. The point is the shape of the arithmetic, not the numbers.
One ounce, two dealers
Dealer A
- Ask per ounce
- A_ask
- Shipping and insurance
- A_ship
- Payment surcharge
- A_pay
- Delivered cost
- A_ask + A_ship + A_pay
- Net bid per ounce
- A_bid
- Round trip
- delivered cost minus A_bid
Dealer B
- Ask per ounce
- B_ask
- Shipping and insurance
- B_ship
- Payment surcharge
- B_pay
- Delivered cost
- B_ask + B_ship + B_pay
- Net bid per ounce
- B_bid
- Round trip
- delivered cost minus B_bid
One ounce, two dealers
Dealer A, online
- Reference at 14:05 ET
- $2,400.00
- Ask
- $2,472.00
- Shipping and insurance
- included
- Signature and handling
- included
- Card surcharge at 3%
- $74.16
- Delivered total
- $2,546.16
- Buyback bid, same timestamp
- $2,280.00, spot minus 5%
- Round trip, delivered total minus bid
- $266.16
Dealer B, local
- Reference at 14:05 ET
- $2,400.00
- Ask
- $2,496.00
- Shipping and insurance
- $35.00
- Signature and handling
- $15.00
- Card surcharge at 3%
- $0.00, wire
- Delivered total
- $2,546.00
- Buyback bid, same timestamp
- $2,376.00, spot minus 1%
- Round trip, delivered total minus bid
- $170.00
The dealer with the lower ask often loses on the round trip. Dealer A posts the lower ask and still costs $96 more across the round trip, because the card surcharge at entry and the wider buyback deduction outweigh Dealer B's shipping lines.
A market pause nobody announces
The dealer still accepts orders while suspending bids or stretching shipping during volatility. Check both sides and the fulfillment status. An active checkout is not evidence of liquidity.
Two sides priced against different references
A seller can build its ask from one feed and its buyback from another, or from the same feed at a different moment. The pair then looks matched and is not.
Ask which provider, metal, unit, currency and time basis each side uses. If the seller will not state both, treat the pair as unpriced rather than assuming they agree.
Build one comparison basis
Fix the product, quantity, payment method and destination first. Take every quote against one timestamp from one independent reference.
Name that reference: the LBMA Gold Price, set twice a day, the CME Group settlement, or a retail chart such as Kitco.
Recalculate the delivered total outside the seller's cart, one charge per line, and write the reference provider and its stated delay next to the result.
Build one comparison basis
- Fix product, quantity, payment, destination
- Take every quote at one timestamp
- Use one independent reference
- Recalculate delivered total outside cart
- Write reference provider and delay
- Capture timestamped evidence on screen
Capture the evidence while it is on screen. A timestamped record of the ask, the reference and the final authorization total outweighs an accurate memory of them, and it costs nothing at the moment of purchase.
Common questions
Is a delayed feed unusable?
No, if it is clearly labeled and every quote in the comparison shares that time basis. It is unsuitable for a live comparison otherwise.
Does "lowest price" include fees?
Only if the claim defines the product, quantity, payment method, destination and every charge. Without those, the claim is not checkable.
Can a dealer change the price before payment?
Terms may allow it. Know when the price locks and what cancellation costs before you authorize anything.
What evidence supports a dispute?
Timestamped screens of the ask and the reference, the terms, the invoice, the authorization total, and the written communications. Keep them together.







